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Cody Zamorah
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.06.01 12:04:00 -
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Best way to accept a bad leadership is just to hush up is the general consensus.
I think I will open a business and hire the lot of you.
Nothing a boss likes more than employees who don't dare to speak up or stand for anything.
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Cody Zamorah
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.06.01 14:46:00 -
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I am sorry to report I am not a Hydra not an Outbreak alt.
Just a concerned player who doesn't buy into the smokescreen.
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Cody Zamorah
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.06.01 17:52:00 -
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CCP Soundwave wrote:This is getting so pathetic.
Admitance is the first step to getting cured.
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Cody Zamorah
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.06.01 19:30:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Hydra was removed for colluding with Outbreak.
And you fail to understand the difference between colluding on TQ and cooperating to train on testserver.
Last year they followed the rules. We could also have expected them to follow them this year.
But hurt feelings made that point taken out of the equation |
Cody Zamorah
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.06.01 21:08:00 -
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ScoRpS. I am not posting on behalf of Outbreak or Hydra. I am posting because this was clearly very bad decision making due to smokescreen rules and even worse communication.
There where a lot of people just sit back and accept that I won't. Because if we accept it now we might accept the same crap another time even easier. |
Cody Zamorah
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.06.01 21:18:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Their attempt to act as a single team on the test server was collusion, they shared intel, fits, tactics, strategies, and yes, they were within the rules last year, however, this year, repeating those same actions resulted in a rules violation because doing what they did last year was against the rules this year.
They didn't train secretivly, they petitioned and were open for dialogue with the AT team about how and why. So the secretive part already get's tossed out of the window.
If CCP had simply communicated and said " Your setup of training would break rules and as such you have the choice, continue and be kicked from the AT or find a way to train against eachother within our rules. (you know, the vague ones which leave enough room to be interprited any way suitable)
They were within the rules last year and the thing with EVE is that people always look howfar rules can be bend to their needs or desires. Same was for Hydra and Outbreak.
This doesn't have to mean they now all of a sudden wanted to break the rules this year. Since there were none broken last year I would assume they didn't want to break rules then so they weren't going to break any this year.
They got dealt a harsher hand than RvB purely based on the fact that last year they did something within the rules what however pissed a lot of people off.
With RvB there was clear communication about how to at the very least get both sides into the AT by "adjusting" the rules.
Same could have been done for Hydra/Outbreak, but CCP decided not to. And the conclusion is that this is soley based on hurt feelings over last year.
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Cody Zamorah
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.06.01 22:17:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:
If you were going to rob a bank, got the guns, got the get away car, got IN the car and started the engine, would you expect the police to tell you that what you're doing is wrong before you left??
Can you apply your logic to ANY OTHER SPORTING EVENT OR SCENARIO LIKE THAT AT ALL and expect the officials to go out of their way to tell you that something you're doing thats blatantly against the rules is against the rules?
They should have simply known that CCP were mad at them (everybody knew CCP was mad at them) and carried the burden of playing it safe on their own.
I cannot fathom how you expect somebody to hand hold them and make sure they don't break rules that were obviously created specifically because of what they did, they're grown ass men, they're responsible for their own actions.
Ah yes, the real and absurd real life analogies which are normally not to be drawn into EVE are spouted up to state a case which isn't there.
Let's find some real life analogies out of sports then.
I take it you are familiar with soccer. A sport well known in Europe.
Soon there will be European Championships. And there are actually countries which train versus soccerteams from other countries.
I am not talking about Italy training versus Greece, but more like for example Netherlands training versus Bayern Munchen.
Now for Bayern Munchen they also have players in the field which are also part of the dutch national team.
If a player or player plays then, is he colluding? Because he knows both teams very well and has certain feelings for both teams.
One provides his income and the other provides him with national glory.
So for arguements sake in your world we best remove a player in such a situation completely since there MIGHT be a chance of collusion.
And even if they knew and were fully aware CCP were mad at them, shouldn't they still be expecting similar treatment as people who CCP weren't mad at?
Doesn't that prove the point actually that the bar which people have to pass get's adjusted by the mere feelings CCP has to a certain entity or individual?
This would set a dangerous prescedence since biased ruling always has a startingpoint.
CCP also is build out of grown ass men and women, aren't they resonsible for their actions and inactions in the same way too then? |
Cody Zamorah
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.06.02 09:53:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Cody Zamorah wrote:
And even if they knew and were fully aware CCP were mad at them, shouldn't they still be expecting similar treatment as people who CCP weren't mad at?
No, why would you ever expect they would? The name of the man that outed the cheating Dev is still to this day banned, you can't even type it out, what in the hell ever gave you the impression that you would or even should be fairly treated?
And that, my dear Grath, is the slight difference between us.
There where you just open your mouth and just swallow whatever get's served I will question what is being served and refuse the chunks which aren't my taste or not my order.
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Cody Zamorah
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2012.06.02 09:57:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:
This may shock you, but you will find in life that some things just aren't fair, even things you pay for, just aren't fair.
Feel free to hold your breath and stomp your feet each time you find one, but in the end none of it will be any more or less fair than it was when you started.
I remember a while ago how you boasted about howmuch PL was always working on the edge of what was allowed.
Aren't you just all cheery now that this vague rule wasn't in place back then.
And yes, I am actually free to stomp my feet and shout out whenever I see injustice. Isn't that just great?
It's something actually worth treasuring instead of squandering it away out of lazyness.
If fighting for fair treatment is a bad thing then I love doing bad things. And I am actually very proud of doing the bad thing then.
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